並前往https://podcasts.apple.com/tw/podcast/%E5%93%88%E4%BD%9B%E4%BA%BA%E7%89%A9%E9%9D%A2%E5%B0%8D%E9%9D%A2-11-5-%E8%B7%AF%E6%98%93%E8%8E%8E%E5%92%96%E5%95%A1%E9%BB%83%E9%8A%98%E8%B3%A2%E5%B7%A7%E7%94%A8%E6%95%B8%E4%BD%8D%E8%BD%89%E5%9E%8B-%E6%89%93%E9%80%A0%E6%9C%AC%E5%9C%9F%E9%BB%91%E9%87%91%E5%82%B3%E5%A5%87/id1577152234?i=1000537213594